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		By: Neil Pakenham-Walsh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Pakenham-Walsh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2017 12:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wenger-trayner.dreamhosters.com/say-boo-to-collaboration-and-sharing/#comment-379&quot;&gt;Team BE&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;It still behoves us to pay attention to the power dynamics behind “collaboration”&quot;

Yes indeed. 

&quot;When a woman pushes back against “business as usual”, or a worker with a manager, or a young, black person with the establishment – are they collaborating or not?&quot;

These examples are not defining characteristics of collaboration. I think it would be correct, however, to say that such power dynamics would be one of many factors that would *undermine* the possibility for successful collaboration.

&quot;In whose interest is it that they collaborate?&quot;

Collaboration, using the Wikipedia definition (&#039;the process of two or more people or organizations working together to realize or achieve something successfully’) implies that both/all people or organisations have a common interest in the realisation or achievement of the same end.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wenger-trayner.dreamhosters.com/say-boo-to-collaboration-and-sharing/#comment-379">Team BE</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;It still behoves us to pay attention to the power dynamics behind “collaboration”&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes indeed. </p>
<p>&#8220;When a woman pushes back against “business as usual”, or a worker with a manager, or a young, black person with the establishment – are they collaborating or not?&#8221;</p>
<p>These examples are not defining characteristics of collaboration. I think it would be correct, however, to say that such power dynamics would be one of many factors that would *undermine* the possibility for successful collaboration.</p>
<p>&#8220;In whose interest is it that they collaborate?&#8221;</p>
<p>Collaboration, using the Wikipedia definition (&#8216;the process of two or more people or organizations working together to realize or achieve something successfully’) implies that both/all people or organisations have a common interest in the realisation or achievement of the same end.</p>
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		By: Team BE		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2017 16:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wenger-trayner.dreamhosters.com/say-boo-to-collaboration-and-sharing/#comment-378&quot;&gt;Neil Pakenham-Walsh&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re right of course, Neill. But it still behoves us to pay attention to the power dynamics behind &quot;collaboration&quot;. When a woman pushes back against &quot;business as usual&quot;, or a worker with a manager, or a young, black person with the establishment - are they collaborating or not? In whose interest is it that they collaborate? 

Just saying!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wenger-trayner.dreamhosters.com/say-boo-to-collaboration-and-sharing/#comment-378">Neil Pakenham-Walsh</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right of course, Neill. But it still behoves us to pay attention to the power dynamics behind &#8220;collaboration&#8221;. When a woman pushes back against &#8220;business as usual&#8221;, or a worker with a manager, or a young, black person with the establishment &#8211; are they collaborating or not? In whose interest is it that they collaborate? </p>
<p>Just saying!</p>
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		By: Neil Pakenham-Walsh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Pakenham-Walsh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2017 09:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello Bev. The main argument against specific collaboration above is that &#039;it can be a euphemism for papering over disagreements and politics. It can be a way to silence voices or disregard issues of power. But disagreements, contestability, and awareness of power are all opportunities to enrich and maximize a community’s learning capability.&#039; I agree that if the word collaboration is used in this way, then this is clearly unhelpful. But I would argue that this is a mis-use of the term. Collaboration is simply &#039;the process of two or more people or organizations working together to realize or achieve something successfully&#039;. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration  Collaborations may (or may not) deal effectively with &#039;disagreements, contestability, and awareness of power&#039; - they may have other positive or negative attributes. Arguably the only point that is common to all  &#039;collaboration&#039; is the &#039;working together to realize or achieve something successfully&#039;. I would maintain that collaboration is therefore essential for international development and social justice. We need more of it, and at the same time we need to find ways of promoting collaboration that enables social learning, and vice versa.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Bev. The main argument against specific collaboration above is that &#8216;it can be a euphemism for papering over disagreements and politics. It can be a way to silence voices or disregard issues of power. But disagreements, contestability, and awareness of power are all opportunities to enrich and maximize a community’s learning capability.&#8217; I agree that if the word collaboration is used in this way, then this is clearly unhelpful. But I would argue that this is a mis-use of the term. Collaboration is simply &#8216;the process of two or more people or organizations working together to realize or achieve something successfully&#8217;. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration</a>  Collaborations may (or may not) deal effectively with &#8216;disagreements, contestability, and awareness of power&#8217; &#8211; they may have other positive or negative attributes. Arguably the only point that is common to all  &#8216;collaboration&#8217; is the &#8216;working together to realize or achieve something successfully&#8217;. I would maintain that collaboration is therefore essential for international development and social justice. We need more of it, and at the same time we need to find ways of promoting collaboration that enables social learning, and vice versa.</p>
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		By: Helen KD		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2017 02:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Apologies for joining the conversation so late - I&#039;m not sure how I missed this... Collaboration is a word I am currently spending some pondering and will continue to do so for a while yet... It is a word that for me personally, has carried some baggage and was not necessarily one I would have seen myself engaging with to the degree that I must now. Interestingly, in the context of the industry I working with, which is Fire and Emergency Services (FES), the word, or at least their conceptualisation of the word has been particularly useful. As mentioned, it is not a word I would have necessarily chosen (in fact I didn&#039;t), however, for a range of reasons, it has resonated with these folk, served to open a dialogue and allowed imagining in a way that has not previously occurred - so for the time being its a word we are embracing and running with. In more recent times, it has been the catalyst for robust discussions around power. 

In the context above, we have not however had to specifically tackle the knowledge sharing chestnut. At this point in time it has not fallen out of the overarching idea of collaboration, rather collaboration has evoked a sense of the future and a space for the currently unknown, the things not currently done or tried to be done  - perhaps one to look out for though...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for joining the conversation so late &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure how I missed this&#8230; Collaboration is a word I am currently spending some pondering and will continue to do so for a while yet&#8230; It is a word that for me personally, has carried some baggage and was not necessarily one I would have seen myself engaging with to the degree that I must now. Interestingly, in the context of the industry I working with, which is Fire and Emergency Services (FES), the word, or at least their conceptualisation of the word has been particularly useful. As mentioned, it is not a word I would have necessarily chosen (in fact I didn&#8217;t), however, for a range of reasons, it has resonated with these folk, served to open a dialogue and allowed imagining in a way that has not previously occurred &#8211; so for the time being its a word we are embracing and running with. In more recent times, it has been the catalyst for robust discussions around power. </p>
<p>In the context above, we have not however had to specifically tackle the knowledge sharing chestnut. At this point in time it has not fallen out of the overarching idea of collaboration, rather collaboration has evoked a sense of the future and a space for the currently unknown, the things not currently done or tried to be done  &#8211; perhaps one to look out for though&#8230;</p>
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		By: Sharing Knowledge &#8211; George Mason University ODKM Virtual Learning Community		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2016 17:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Through the course of doing research and planning for our learning community, we came across Etienne and Beverly ‘Bev’ Wenger-Trayner’s website.  Bev Wenger-Trayner recently posted a blog about the issues behind collaboration and sharing knowledge, specifically the challenge community organizers are facing regarding how to share knowledge (https://wenger-trayner.dreamhosters.com/reflections/say-boo-to-collaboration-and-sharing/). [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Through the course of doing research and planning for our learning community, we came across Etienne and Beverly ‘Bev’ Wenger-Trayner’s website.  Bev Wenger-Trayner recently posted a blog about the issues behind collaboration and sharing knowledge, specifically the challenge community organizers are facing regarding how to share knowledge (<a href="https://wenger-trayner.dreamhosters.com/reflections/say-boo-to-collaboration-and-sharing/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://wenger-trayner.dreamhosters.com/reflections/say-boo-to-collaboration-and-sharing/</a>). [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Bev		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2016 18:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Robert. Yes, I agree. There&#039;s nothing like a problem to drive the learning. And I think Matt Andrews and colleagues would find our value-creation framework useful for doing PDIA.

Re learning facilitators encouraging questions, I agree - with one proviso. It shouldn&#039;t be false. We would never advocate holding back your own knowledge - or getting others to hold back their knowledge - in order to get other people to find things out for themselves. I sometimes see teachers or facilitators doing that and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s helpful. I find it also a bit patronizing. 

I think a good start for a learning facilitator - or simply a learning citizen - is to start from a position of *inquiry*, which is subtly different from telling people that you don&#039;t know enough yourself. Appreciate what you and others know and have it as the start of the process of an ever deepening inquiry, not a full stop. 

And I think you are so right about how we are not socialized into thinking about what we don&#039;t know. That&#039;s why we, in our theorizing, shy away from the word knowledge and why learning is our focus. Knowledge implies something that is known. Learning suggests that we are in the process of knowing.

Bev]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Robert. Yes, I agree. There&#8217;s nothing like a problem to drive the learning. And I think Matt Andrews and colleagues would find our value-creation framework useful for doing PDIA.</p>
<p>Re learning facilitators encouraging questions, I agree &#8211; with one proviso. It shouldn&#8217;t be false. We would never advocate holding back your own knowledge &#8211; or getting others to hold back their knowledge &#8211; in order to get other people to find things out for themselves. I sometimes see teachers or facilitators doing that and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s helpful. I find it also a bit patronizing. </p>
<p>I think a good start for a learning facilitator &#8211; or simply a learning citizen &#8211; is to start from a position of *inquiry*, which is subtly different from telling people that you don&#8217;t know enough yourself. Appreciate what you and others know and have it as the start of the process of an ever deepening inquiry, not a full stop. </p>
<p>And I think you are so right about how we are not socialized into thinking about what we don&#8217;t know. That&#8217;s why we, in our theorizing, shy away from the word knowledge and why learning is our focus. Knowledge implies something that is known. Learning suggests that we are in the process of knowing.</p>
<p>Bev</p>
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		By: Robert Bauchmüller		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2016 08:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Beverly, for sharing this interesting blog post. 

It reminded me of what we learned in the Problem-Based Learning (PBL) approach of Maastricht University (NL) - in case you think you have no knowledge to share, you can always share at least a question with those that seem to have knowledge. In Maastricht learning facilitators (PBL tutors) helped us phrase such questions, e.g. by explicitly making it a learning step for our learning groups to phrase the core learning questions that we see underlying the issues we studied. In the next step, we then activated the given pre-knowledge in the group. Through challenging what others know, we did social learning, e.g. by helping them to reflect on their knowledge or by helping them to express it. ... Similarly, I learned that Matt Andrews and colleagues promote in their Problem-Driven Iterative Adaptation (PDIA) approach to keep checking whether we ask the right questions and to keep asking iteratively whether our knowledge (for example, about the context of reforms) is comprehensive enough. ... What I have learned from such approaches is that facilitators have the role to help learners to reflect more on their learning and to keep questioning what they (and others) already know. 

Also, learning facilitators have the important role to encourage learners to reach out with their questions to others (and to share their given knowledge), and not to be too &#039;shy&#039; to reveal that they consider their knowledge still incomplete/limited. I guess a good start is to accept as learning facilitator that you don&#039;t know enough yourself, and that knowledge is never complete or learning is never finished. Probably Socrates with his questioning was one of the first who tried to develop such skills. 

I know this sounds easier than it is ;) What limits our reflection and questioning skills? How much does our education system, the way we get raised, our cultural expectations to express our knowledge, our learning environment, etc. influence us in the way we learn, reflect on our knowledge, share our knowledge with others, and challenge the knowledge of others. I find your thoughts on learning citizenship (elsewhere on your website) in that regard very inspiring.


Best regards, Robert.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Beverly, for sharing this interesting blog post. </p>
<p>It reminded me of what we learned in the Problem-Based Learning (PBL) approach of Maastricht University (NL) &#8211; in case you think you have no knowledge to share, you can always share at least a question with those that seem to have knowledge. In Maastricht learning facilitators (PBL tutors) helped us phrase such questions, e.g. by explicitly making it a learning step for our learning groups to phrase the core learning questions that we see underlying the issues we studied. In the next step, we then activated the given pre-knowledge in the group. Through challenging what others know, we did social learning, e.g. by helping them to reflect on their knowledge or by helping them to express it. &#8230; Similarly, I learned that Matt Andrews and colleagues promote in their Problem-Driven Iterative Adaptation (PDIA) approach to keep checking whether we ask the right questions and to keep asking iteratively whether our knowledge (for example, about the context of reforms) is comprehensive enough. &#8230; What I have learned from such approaches is that facilitators have the role to help learners to reflect more on their learning and to keep questioning what they (and others) already know. </p>
<p>Also, learning facilitators have the important role to encourage learners to reach out with their questions to others (and to share their given knowledge), and not to be too &#8216;shy&#8217; to reveal that they consider their knowledge still incomplete/limited. I guess a good start is to accept as learning facilitator that you don&#8217;t know enough yourself, and that knowledge is never complete or learning is never finished. Probably Socrates with his questioning was one of the first who tried to develop such skills. </p>
<p>I know this sounds easier than it is 😉 What limits our reflection and questioning skills? How much does our education system, the way we get raised, our cultural expectations to express our knowledge, our learning environment, etc. influence us in the way we learn, reflect on our knowledge, share our knowledge with others, and challenge the knowledge of others. I find your thoughts on learning citizenship (elsewhere on your website) in that regard very inspiring.</p>
<p>Best regards, Robert.</p>
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		By: Bev		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2016 17:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Marco. That&#039;s true. 

I guess the question is: when does the term &quot;knowledge sharing&quot; get in the way and when does it actually help the process?

I think that knowledge sharing has become a proxy for social learning - I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a good one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marco. That&#8217;s true. </p>
<p>I guess the question is: when does the term &#8220;knowledge sharing&#8221; get in the way and when does it actually help the process?</p>
<p>I think that knowledge sharing has become a proxy for social learning &#8211; I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a good one.</p>
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		By: Marco Bettoni		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2016 05:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bev, I can view your suggestions of &quot;how to help frame an inquiry about what is not known&quot; also as good ways of activating knowledge sharing:
1. What is an issue facing a member that most people will relate to? 
2. How do you get them to tell a story about it in a way that invites a response? 
3. What kind of activity will deepen the inquiry – a debate? case clinic? role play? 
4. how will you track and share how this leads that person to change how they “do business” and what happens as a result?
I mean, if someone would ask me how to get people in the community share knowledge, I would answer that she could design interactions by means of those questions. Then, the interactions would have as a result also shared knowledge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bev, I can view your suggestions of &#8220;how to help frame an inquiry about what is not known&#8221; also as good ways of activating knowledge sharing:<br />
1. What is an issue facing a member that most people will relate to?<br />
2. How do you get them to tell a story about it in a way that invites a response?<br />
3. What kind of activity will deepen the inquiry – a debate? case clinic? role play?<br />
4. how will you track and share how this leads that person to change how they “do business” and what happens as a result?<br />
I mean, if someone would ask me how to get people in the community share knowledge, I would answer that she could design interactions by means of those questions. Then, the interactions would have as a result also shared knowledge.</p>
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		By: Bev		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Barb. Yes, the problem with &quot;making implicit knowledge explicit&quot; assumes that someone somewhere has the answer even if they can&#039;t articulate it. But nowadays, with increasing uncertainty, we simply can&#039;t assume that. The most useful knowledge is that which we don&#039;t have yet!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Barb. Yes, the problem with &#8220;making implicit knowledge explicit&#8221; assumes that someone somewhere has the answer even if they can&#8217;t articulate it. But nowadays, with increasing uncertainty, we simply can&#8217;t assume that. The most useful knowledge is that which we don&#8217;t have yet!</p>
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